SSPX Schism

   After 15 years of retirement, Pete Vere, is back to analyze the SSPX status. Read here: SSPX Consecrations and Impending Schism - Where Peter Is For those who have been in the Trad world for a while, you may recall Pete's co-authorship of a book with Patrick Madrid, More Catholic than the Pope. This was back when mainstream Traditionalists were not sympathetic to the SSPX. The SSPX, after all, was in competition with the FSSP, ICK, Indults, etc. for the TLM flock. If individuals were pro-SSPX, it was "under the radar". 

"Among the documents published in the Letter is an older declaration, which had remained secret, written by Archbishop Lefebvre five years earlier, on October 19, 1983, amplifying that of November 21, 1974, and animated by the same spirit of rupture. This declaration shows that he had long since made the decision to consecrate bishops." To safeguard the Catholic priesthood, which carries on the Catholic Church and not an adulterated Church, Catholic bishops are needed. We therefore see ourselves compelled, because of the invasion of the modernist spirit into the present clergy, even to the highest levels within the Church, to proceed to the consecration of bishops, the fact of this consecration having been admitted by the pope in Cardinal Ratzinger’s letter of May 30. These episcopal consecrations will be not only valid but, in view of the historical circumstances, probably licit. Whatever may be said of their liceity, it is sometimes necessary to abandon legality in order to...

https://youtu.be/KKPvpwFN7R4?si=L25USTZzE4ZG0nOL This video is a rebuttal to an article by *James Bogle* published on *1Peter5*, which defended the *SSPX*. The hosts, *John Salza* and *Robert*, analyze what they describe as major theological and canonical errors in the article. **Key topics discussed include:** * **Critique of James Bogle's Article:** (0:00 - 5:07) The hosts introduce their rebuttal, accusing *Bogle* of incompetence, misrepresentation, and launching an "erroneous attack" against *Salza*. * **The Heresy Concerning the Papacy:** (11:20 - 16:45) *Salza* and *Robert* document the claim that *Bogle*, along with others like *Michael Matt* and *Fr. Joseph Wilson*, denies the defined dogma that the *Pope* is the head of the *Catholic Church*. The hosts argue that the *institutional Church* is the true *Catholic Church*. * **Supplied Jurisdiction and Sacraments:** (32:00 - 41:40) The hosts discuss the status of *SSPX* faculties, arguing that their previous confess...

Johnathan Arrington shows us the lie said at the 1988 consecration, and the lie that will be said in the 2026 consecrations.  https://jonathanarringtonitedomum.substack.com/p/its-all-a-lie?r=jkgtv&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=post-publish&fbclid=IwdGRjcAQdB2djbGNrBB0GmmV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHpdMys_znlRkDCIR3bnNIxm6Fqgw3B72qH7BPjR9xIUXy8fkqPcWwHBGsYi3_aem_fePjg7GU0B5o7SigjXgfuQ&triedRedirect=true&_src_ref=lm.facebook.com 

IF NOT TRADITIONALISM, THEN WHAT? Rise Above Heartless Materialism Laurence Gonzaga Interviewed by Aaron Kessler 0:00 Introduction  https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=gN7-05IrwYzpzAwm&t=1 1:55 What is true Catholic culture? Does the Novus Ordo have a culture? Spanish Mass culture? https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=z1x5l4grP_y3fuJ2&t=115 9:25 TLM subcultures: ICK, FSSP, SSPX Exclusivity https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=FZcSJldDi4CS-ru4&t=565 13:55 What's the alternative culture to Traditionalism?; What's "lacking" in the Novus Ordo?; Is exclusivity a good thing?; Saying "no" to some things; The pros and cons of a tight-knit unified culture; Exclusivity vs inclusivity https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=DAHo2JePEuVo6yg0&t=835 19:00 Being different; Why is TLM or Ordinariate culture attractive?; The subjective experience of religion https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=ykv9S1sOWN1Zviki&t=1140 22:00 Traditionalism/Dr. Peter Kwasniewski; The only way forwa...

 This was sent to me. I don't know Father Reid Hennick , but his name sounds familiar. So, I did the Google search to find an "origin story" for this about-face to the SSPX . Unfortunately, instead of moving to reconcile with the Church, he takes steps further away from the Church.  I found this article: https://www.wmreview.org/p/fr-reid-hennick-leaves-sspx  The article makes a big deal about Father's involvement, while still an SSPX seminarian, in my friend, John Salza 's co-authored book with Robert Siscoe , True or False Pope , a highly-regarded comprehensive antithesis to the Sedevacantist thesis.  Sedevacantism is the claim that the current pope is an anti-pope , as well as the last several popes, typically starting with John XXIII and after , since he was the one who called into being the "heretical" Second Vatican Council , a so-called "Robber Council" .  The article states:  Fr Hennick’s involvement in such a work underscores the signi...

September 14, 2025 Dear Friends, Since I'm on this email feed, I feel compelled to keep responding whenever the SSPX is labeled schismatic. I try to do so in a friendly way, not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings. I don't claim to have papal authority, so consider my remarks to be, at best, a private theological opinion. First, I note that to judge any moral action (or state), we need to consider the object of that action and the circumstances as well. Prudence always requires the consideration of circumstances. It's not enough to simply consider a definition or a commandment and apply it to a case without checking all the circumstances. For example, a boy might be accused of the sin of disobeying his father, citing the 4th Commandment as proof. Looking deeper into things we might learn that the boy's father was drunk and issuing immoral commands. One might compare the spirit of Vatican II or that of the conciliar church with its novelties breaking with t...

September 13, 2025 Schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or communion with those subject to him. The Society meets both canonical elements even though only one is required for schism. The Society has refused submission to the Pope's jurisdiction because it has repeatedly reject the Protocol agreements of the Holy See which included accepting the Catholic Church's Profession of Faith (which the Society rejects, like all schismatics). They refuse communion with the Roman Catholic Church which they call the "conciliar church." The Society also refuses communion with 99% of those in the Roman Rite, because they reject the Novus Ordo.  Those are the canonical elements of the crime of schism. And these elements are proven in the external forum by a notoriety of fact. But let's face it. Given that Society's theological arguments are so poor and have all been refuted (ask Fr Laisney about our exchanges and challenges to the Society's...

June 9, 2025 Dear Fr. K: I commend you on your pursuit of truth in regard to geocentrism. We need more faithful priests like you to know, embrace and teach what the Church has always taught. Thank you for your courage and witness.   In regard to your comment about there still being freedom to be heliocentrists because the doctrine has not been defined, I would add that we need to be careful to follow the Church's Profession of Faith, which requires religious submission of intellect and will to truths which the Magisterium has authentically proposed (the truth of geocentrism and the falsity of heliocentrism being two such truths, based on the Scriptures and consensus of the Fathers). This is precisely why I as a Catholic apologist entered into this debate over 15 years ago; because our counterparts were arguing that since the 16th century decrees were not "infallible," they could be dismissed.  While a case could be made that these teachings are infallible by t...

Why You Should NOT Attend SSPX: A Deep Dive Eric Tafoya Interviews Laurence Gonzaga on the SSPX FULL:  https://www.youtube.com/live/7jmZhkXnKWg Bookmarks 2:30 Introduction https://www.youtube.com/live/7jmZhkXnKWg?si=MviS5LgHkbPfoOHB&t=150 6:00 Overview of the SSPX: Vatican 2, The New Mass, Reactions from Traditionalists https://www.youtube.com/live/7jmZhkXnKWg?si=0D3ZfcA5ICjMowG2&t=360 14:30 The act of schism: Illicit consecrating 4 bishops without papal approval https://www.youtube.com/live/7jmZhkXnKWg?si=Ly3ZTbEwvFImLAlH&t=870 16:30 SSPX justification: Epikeia, the state of emergency https://www.youtube.com/live/7jmZhkXnKWg?si=rFn5L-4M139QlSsr&t=990 18:45 Pope John Paul II and Assisi: Emotional reactions, syncretism, indifferentism, universalism https://www.youtube.com/live/7jmZhkXnKWg?si=rUoSHgmDf9ytJnEG&t=1185 25:45 SSPX in Colton, CA, my first Traditional Latin Mass https://www.youtube.com/live/7jmZhkXnKWg?si=5MpZMFenpyNTktWh&t=1545 29:00 Bishop Barnes ...

Father Brian Harrison, OS, MA, STD on The Journey Home (EWTN) Editor, L. Gonzaga: With permission, I publish here a private group message written by Fr. Brian Harrison, OS, MA, STD addressed to two SSPX priests, whom I am not naming as their emails have not been approved for publication. This message was in support of an initial case made by Dr. Robert Sungenis on the status of the SSPX. On Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:55 PM Brian Harrison wrote: If I may be permitted to weigh in here:   Dr. Sungenis is right.  Pope Benedict XVI, even when lifting the 1988 excommunications on the SSPX bishops in 2009, said (via the Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops), that the Society was not "in full communion" with the Catholic Church, and that he hoped this gesture would be a step towards bringing them back into full communion.    As is well known, "not in full communion" with the Catholic Church is just the polite, ecumenically-oriented post-Vatican II term for being in schism ...

I think traditionalist-minded folks can get bogged down with the technicalities of the Msgr Perl letters, and there are several of them, because of nuances related to fulfilling the Sunday obligation and other particular issues. My approach to this issue is simply this: 1. Canon law defines what " schism " is: "Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him ." (CIC, 751 ). 2. Schism is incurred " latae sententiae ", that is to say, automatically by the very act of schism, without a need for declaration from the ecclesiastical authority: "An apostate from the faith, a heretic or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication " (CIC, 1364 ). 3. The SSPX, in various...

As a dog that returneth to his vomit, so is the fool that repeateth his folly. -Proverbs 26:11, DRB Let's start off with what was publicly stated by the Transalpine Redemptorists in 2008. Read how important undisputed communion with Rome is for them... back in 2008. Tuesday, July 01, 2008 Canonical Good Standing 1 July, 2008 Feast of the Precious Blood My dear friends, I am happy to inform you that last June 18th, before Cardinal Castrillon and the members of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei in Rome, I humbly petitioned the Holy See on my own behalf and on behalf of the monastery council for our priestly suspensions to be lifted. On June 26th I received word that the Holy See had granted our petition. All canonical censures have been lifted. Our community now truly rejoices in undisputed and peaceful posession of Communion with the Holy See because our priests are now in canonical good standing. We are very grateful to our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI for issuing, last July,...

In the span of just a few days, two well-known Catholics publicly gave what I maintain are erroneous conclusions regarding whether or not SSPX Masses fulfill the Sunday obligation. On September 18, 2024, in an interview with Gene Zannetti, Fr. Chad Ripperger stated that SSPX Masses fulfill the obligation. And on September 21, 2024, in an article by Daniel Payne for Catholic News Agency (about the Carmelite nuns who defected to the SSPX), Jimmy Akin of Catholic Answers is also quoted as suggesting that SSPX Masses fulfill the obligation (because he says Catholics can attend their Masses and receive Holy Communion). As I will demonstrate in this article, both statements fall short of a proper understanding of canon law, which lead to the erroneous conclusion. Note that I already addressed this issue at length in my November 2021 article “Do SSPX Masses Fulfill the Sunday Obligation?” (this previous article also analyzes all the negative judgments by the Holy See regarding SS...