IF NOT TRADITIONALISM, THEN WHAT?
Rise Above Heartless Materialism
Laurence Gonzaga Interviewed by Aaron Kessler
Rise Above Heartless Materialism
Laurence Gonzaga Interviewed by Aaron Kessler
0:00 Introduction
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=gN7-05IrwYzpzAwm&t=1
1:55 What is true Catholic culture?
Does the Novus Ordo have a culture?
Spanish Mass culture?
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=z1x5l4grP_y3fuJ2&t=115
9:25 TLM subcultures: ICK, FSSP, SSPX
Exclusivity
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=FZcSJldDi4CS-ru4&t=565
13:55 What's the alternative culture to Traditionalism?;
What's "lacking" in the Novus Ordo?;
Is exclusivity a good thing?;
Saying "no" to some things;
The pros and cons of a tight-knit unified culture;
Exclusivity vs inclusivity
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=DAHo2JePEuVo6yg0&t=835
19:00 Being different;
Why is TLM or Ordinariate culture attractive?;
The subjective experience of religion
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=ykv9S1sOWN1Zviki&t=1140
22:00 Traditionalism/Dr. Peter Kwasniewski;
The only way forward is to go back;
Is that really the future of Catholicism?
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=Q9DAPhkl3aYxu_kO&t=1320
23:08 Summorum Pontificum and the challenges of starting new TLMs;
Limited TLM resources
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=a1QOtaKtn5clifSR&t=1388
26:00 All are welcome; is that the way?;
Establishing parish identity
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=pGJ-n203tjLRZY3z&t=1560
28:35 The value of exclusivity in Catholic subcultures
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=q8lltW-0e7XWcM_e&t=1715
30:26 The Eastern Orthodox culture and Father Josiah Trenham
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=yMiBD-tZN5BZRg6q&t=1826
33:10 The pastor, knowing who you are;
The Anglican Ordinariate, Father Andrew Bartus;
Protestant or small-church culture
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=_HMG0ko-TksIprmV&t=1990
42:30 A balanced Catholic community;
Personality splits
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=HgfOx3EzOyZDvHob&t=2550
45:00 Martha and Mary;
Contemplative and active;
Spiritual and corporal works of mercy
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=CXNxUZV7zLmXIL9e&t=2700
48:50 Using the gifts of the community;
How to engage the world in evangelization
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=KBjf9C6TQSfSGrXE&t=2930
1:00:00 Evangelism, practice makes perfect;
Evangelization story time
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=IDqpnKY2XqFq2dLw&t=3600
1:07:40 Where is Catholic culture heading in the next 5 years?;
The shifts in Catholic culture in the last 20 years;
Dissenting Catholic cultures;
Liberals. conservatives, Marian apparitions, separatists
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=nao8byIYvOGlwLmm&t=4060
1:11:20 Catholic comfort zones, staying within your tribes and looking up to your clerical heroes, Burke, Vigano, Strickland, Schneider, etc;
It's not easy being Catholic, the sacrifices of being Catholic;
Why conservative Catholics were scandalized by the Francis pontificate
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=6-ZCaj5mre6d_YCk&t=4280
1:16:50 Staying on the outside of the groups;
I need all those ideological groups to draw wisdom from;
If all are in the middle, there is no middle
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=KXj8cdAU5188liyH&t=4610
1:18:00 Authoritarians of the Left and Right;
Summoning Phillip Campbell for his wisdom
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=UKOp7OovnjpOO2C4&t=4680
1:21:25 The TFP; Monarchy; the Four revolutions from the philosophy of Plinio Correa de Oliveira
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=Bs44EA2GX_xwHkqx&t=4885
1:24:45 Closing
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=-Uz3IDBzP3wA8b-i&t=5085
1:55 What is true Catholic culture?
Does the Novus Ordo have a culture?
Spanish Mass culture?
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=z1x5l4grP_y3fuJ2&t=115
9:25 TLM subcultures: ICK, FSSP, SSPX
Exclusivity
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=FZcSJldDi4CS-ru4&t=565
13:55 What's the alternative culture to Traditionalism?;
What's "lacking" in the Novus Ordo?;
Is exclusivity a good thing?;
Saying "no" to some things;
The pros and cons of a tight-knit unified culture;
Exclusivity vs inclusivity
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=DAHo2JePEuVo6yg0&t=835
19:00 Being different;
Why is TLM or Ordinariate culture attractive?;
The subjective experience of religion
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=ykv9S1sOWN1Zviki&t=1140
22:00 Traditionalism/Dr. Peter Kwasniewski;
The only way forward is to go back;
Is that really the future of Catholicism?
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=Q9DAPhkl3aYxu_kO&t=1320
23:08 Summorum Pontificum and the challenges of starting new TLMs;
Limited TLM resources
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=a1QOtaKtn5clifSR&t=1388
26:00 All are welcome; is that the way?;
Establishing parish identity
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=pGJ-n203tjLRZY3z&t=1560
28:35 The value of exclusivity in Catholic subcultures
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=q8lltW-0e7XWcM_e&t=1715
30:26 The Eastern Orthodox culture and Father Josiah Trenham
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=yMiBD-tZN5BZRg6q&t=1826
33:10 The pastor, knowing who you are;
The Anglican Ordinariate, Father Andrew Bartus;
Protestant or small-church culture
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=_HMG0ko-TksIprmV&t=1990
42:30 A balanced Catholic community;
Personality splits
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=HgfOx3EzOyZDvHob&t=2550
45:00 Martha and Mary;
Contemplative and active;
Spiritual and corporal works of mercy
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=CXNxUZV7zLmXIL9e&t=2700
48:50 Using the gifts of the community;
How to engage the world in evangelization
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=KBjf9C6TQSfSGrXE&t=2930
1:00:00 Evangelism, practice makes perfect;
Evangelization story time
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=IDqpnKY2XqFq2dLw&t=3600
1:07:40 Where is Catholic culture heading in the next 5 years?;
The shifts in Catholic culture in the last 20 years;
Dissenting Catholic cultures;
Liberals. conservatives, Marian apparitions, separatists
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=nao8byIYvOGlwLmm&t=4060
1:11:20 Catholic comfort zones, staying within your tribes and looking up to your clerical heroes, Burke, Vigano, Strickland, Schneider, etc;
It's not easy being Catholic, the sacrifices of being Catholic;
Why conservative Catholics were scandalized by the Francis pontificate
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=6-ZCaj5mre6d_YCk&t=4280
1:16:50 Staying on the outside of the groups;
I need all those ideological groups to draw wisdom from;
If all are in the middle, there is no middle
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=KXj8cdAU5188liyH&t=4610
1:18:00 Authoritarians of the Left and Right;
Summoning Phillip Campbell for his wisdom
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=UKOp7OovnjpOO2C4&t=4680
1:21:25 The TFP; Monarchy; the Four revolutions from the philosophy of Plinio Correa de Oliveira
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=Bs44EA2GX_xwHkqx&t=4885
1:24:45 Closing
https://youtu.be/WOvBU8Xc894?si=-Uz3IDBzP3wA8b-i&t=5085