See how they speak of Catholics in complete union with the Pope and the Catholic Church, and Canon 751

Notice how some "traditionalists" talk to other Catholics.

"Novus Ordites"?

Anyone who has spent any amount of time in SSPX communities, as I have, knows, this is not a one off kind of speak.

It's rather common.

They speak of those who go to the Novus Ordo as if they are some other kind of Catholic.

Well they may be right, ironically, since the SSPX is "not part of the one Catholic Church throughout the world", as Cardinal Burke says.

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Don't forget it, as you are tempted to remain, or join the SSPX communities.

"...schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."

Canon 751, Code of Canon Law

"At this time, they (SSPX) are not part of the one Roman Catholic Church throughout the world" - Cardinal Raymond Burke

Bookmarked here at timestamp 9:21: https://youtu.be/0TyjRoKUi2w?t=561

Archbishop Lefebvre Advised his followers not to be in Communion with Catholics subject to the Roman Pontiff, Evidence of Schism per Can 751

"It is clear that with all those who leave us or who have left us for Sedevacantism or with those who want to be subject to the current hierarchy of the Church while hoping to keep the Tradition, we can no longer have relations with them. It is not possible. We say that one cannot be subject to ecclesiastical authority and keep Tradition. They claim the opposite. This is to deceive the faithful. (…) we want to be absolutely free from compromise both with regard to Sedevacantists and with regard to those who want to be subject to ecclesiastical authority." -Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre Conference in Flavigny, December 1988, Fideliter n° 68, p. 16. Konstantin: So basically the Church no longer exists because being in union with the ecclesisastical hierarchy and holding on to Tradition is no longer possible. So many of these quotes not only reek of schism but of heresy. ... Question: 17) Can we go to the Masses of the “ralliés” [the ED communities]? No, you can't ...

John Salza Responds to Peter Kwasniewski on the SSPX

John Salza Responds to Peter Kwasniewski on the SSPX January A.D. 2023 Following is my response to Peter Kwasniewski’s hit-and-run post about my January 9, 2023 interview with Matt Fradd on the SSPX. Before addressing his points, notice that Peter admits he only “listened to about an hour” of my three hour and fifteen-minute interview, but then provides a laundry list of points he claims I did not cover or failed to distinguish, again, even though he did not listen to over 2/3rds of the interview, and which actually did include discussion on many of the points he claims I missed (i.e, the Magisterium’s levels of authority, obedience, the problems with Pope Francis, etc). Evidently Peter thinks so highly of himself that he believes he can publicly refute his opponents’ arguments without listening to their entire arguments. This says a lot about his approach to the issue. Now, to Peter’s points. 1 – Peter claims I don’t distinguish between Sacrosanctum Concilium and the Novus O...

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